19981025




Articles on 25th October, 1998.

Today's Articles: 33.


Articles' Numbers: (19981025_01-33)





Article 1:

Route numbering system


100/911R/M1 Wong (wongjsy@sfsu.edu) from hhttnt06243.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 01:57, 1998 said:


As KMB just opened 296D to Tsim Sha Tsui (for me?) last Friday, I sure want to give some credits to KMB.


Nope, I'm not talking about those relatively 'brand new' buses, but the route numbering system.





For example, the prefix 9 sort of denotes routes to Tseung Kwan O and Sai Kung


Then a suffix 8 denotes to Hang Hau (with the exception of 298, which do via Hang Hau),


with suffix 6 to Sheung Tak, 3 to Po Lam, etc...





The English suffix is also meaningful. As 'A' denotes to going to Kwun Tong, (like 98A and 296A),


and 'D' denotes to routes going to Tsim Sha Tsui. (like 98D and 296D)





I mean, even routes in northwestern New Territories are pretty well defined, such as 63/69 to Tin Shui Wai and 68 to Yuen Long.





Sure hope KMB learns lessons from the past, as the route numbering system in Shatin is totally confusing.





For example, both 80M and 81K go to Sui Wo Court. (I already consider 'plain' 81 to be in the same neighbourhood in Wo Che) And then for routes in Ma On Shan, 81C goes to Yiu On while 87D goes to Kam Ying Court!





Can those in Shatin help me with the prefix/suffix definition for KMB routes in Shatin?





100/911R/M1 Wong


Article 1: (Request 1)

I think a Citywide route numbering system is needed because Citybus or even NWFB may operate Kowloon/New Territiries Routes and if there is no Citywide route numbering system, then there is a risk of confusion. For example, if Citybus operates Route 5 in Kowloon, then there is a risk of confusion because Citybus already operates 5 in HK Island.





Citybus 10


Article 1: (Request 2)

如有錯誤請其他網友指正








The route numbering system can be seen in this way:


Route No. starting with 81 goes to Jordan Road / Tsim Sha Tsui (e.g. 81/81C/281P)


Route No. starting with 85 goes to Kowloon City / To Kwa Wan (85/85A/85B/85C)


Route No. starting with 86 goes to Cheung Sha Wan / Mei Foo (86/86A/86B/86C/886)


Route No. starting with 87 goes to Tai Kok Tsui / Mong Kok (87/87A/87B/87D/887)


Route No. statting with 89 goes to Kwun Tong (e.g. 89/89A/889)





891 had started service first before 885 appeared. (Why!?)


(Maybe because route 91 was from Clear Water Bay to Kowloon City Ferry Pier,


so the route to Kowloon City was numbered 891!?)





Why the urban routes have such strange numbers?





First, let us look at the history


1979 Sha Tin Bus List:





70A佐敦道碼頭--瀝源


71佐敦道碼道--沙田墟


87瀝源--大角咀


88沙田墟--小瀝源


88A沙田墟--顯田


89瀝源--觀塘





1983 Sha Tin Bus List:





70M穗禾苑--九龍塘地鐵站 (後來改為80M)


71禾輋--佐敦道碼頭 (後來改為81)


80美林--觀塘碼頭


80K禾輋--新翠


81K博康至沙田火車站(循環線)


81M新田圍--九龍塘地鐵站


82M圓洲角--九龍塘地鐵站


84K圓洲角--穗禾苑 (已取消)


85大圍--九龍城碼頭


85A圓洲角--九龍城碼頭


86小瀝源--美孚


86K小瀝源--火炭 (已取消)


87瀝源--大角嘴碼頭


87A博康--旺角(亞皆老街)


88K何東樓--大圍/顯田


89瀝源--觀塘(月華街)


89A圓洲角--觀塘(月華街) (已取消)








In 1979, only places on Sha Tin Market, Lek Yuen, Wo Che and Tai Wai were developed,


so the numbering system is simple.





Originally, 86 means Siu Lek Yuen and 88 means Hin Tin,


because 86 and 86K both started in Siu Lek Yuen,


and 85, 87 and 89 were commenced service.





Then, as the land reclaimed from Shing Mun River was developed,


more routes appear in area like Siu Lek Yuen and Yuen Chau Kok.


Also, as more and more housing estates were built, like Pok Hong, Sun Tin Wai...


KMB have started routes to Kowloon.


e.g. 85<-->85A


87<-->87A both goes to the same region in Kowloon


89<-->89A





The letter 'B' appeared later as it is quite normal that 'A' comes first.





As the MTR started in 1979(1980) and the KCR changed to electric,


K routes and M routes were developed.


I also do not know why the M routes are numbered (except 88K, where Hin Tin was developed in early time).


From that time, the numbers have not been defined to any region or estates (till now).





Later on, Heng On Estate and Yiu On Estate have been developed.


So KMB use 'C' to denote routes from Ma On Shan to Kowloon (e.g. 81C, 85C, 86C, 89C)


The 'D' denote routes from Newer area of Ma On Shan (e.g. 87D, 89D),


but 85C and 86C have moved so that this phenomonum is not too distinctive.





For the routes from Ma On Shan to KCR Stations and MTR Stations,


KMB used a sequential order


KCR:(85K first, 86K after, then 87K, latest 287K)


MTR:(85M first, 286M later)


Other:(70M (now 80M), 81M and 82M come in sequential order)





Note: The original 82X: Siu Lek Yuen to Kowloon Tong via Sha Tin Road


(This is like the present morning peak hour route 82S),


then 82X was deleted.





This does not apply on the Tate's Cairn Tunnel 'X' routes,


because most of the Tate's Cairn Tunnel routes go to East Kowloon.





Note: 87X is not an express route, it is only because KMB has no number to use!!








My final opinion: Shatin has two numbering systems,


One is for Urban Routes and one is for Shatin local routes.


Article 2:

Re: 機鐵接巴一問


Hanvas 漢 華 (hanvas@netvigator.com) from hhtam035148.netvigator.com at Sat Oct 24 22:57, 1998 said:


> Zenga (96479104@plink.cityu.edu.hk) said:


>


> 今日搭300金躉過海﹐紅隧口見到有架大D 0既機鐵接巴駛去紅磡站﹐


> 唔通機鐵接巴係有兩款﹖架車唔係四四方方咁0既﹒





呢 架 係 Man 13.220 , 當 然 有 別 於 一 般 既 短 陣 Man 10.160 啦 !


這 些 Man 13.220 都 係 棣 屬 泰 豐 既 ,


不 過 因 為 批 短 陣 Man 10.160 未 能 趕 及 來 港 服 役 ,


故 搵 呢 D Man 13.220 黎 行 九 龍 站 路 線 .


Article 3:

Re: 有冇攪錯?!新記 27 用全雞!


ADOLF MARCOS (98101270j@polyu.edu.hk) from hkpa05.polyu.edu.hk at Sun Oct 25 05:36, 1998 said:


> Eric Boutros (ericnet@hkstar.com) said:


> 有朋友話我知, 近來新記 27 竟然用全雞!!


>


> 離晒大譜!


>


> Eric Boutros





ARE YOU EYES OK??


TODAY I STILL SAW 1 EX-CMB DART AND I NWFB DART RUNNING ON RT.27.


YES YOU MAY BE RIGHT IF YOU THINK THAT 'ONLY 2 HRS A DAY (RUSHING HOUR)' EVERYONE KNOW THAT EXTRA LV'S AND DS'S ARE PUT IN SERVICE IN 0630-0800


JESUS CHRIST!!


Article 3: (Request 1)

你朋友是誰?





近月來晨早特車及 12/10-15/10 山頂纜車停駛期間,


DC被調往M21 而有兩架 LV 替外(字軌共三架), 都是平日全DC


及假日全新Dart.





你還是確實了你那朋友的話才罵吧.....


Article 3: (Request 2)

> Gakei! (gakei@netvigator.com) said:


>


> 請問廿七號是否正式轉了全冷?





未,只不過係有冷馬0者.





DA82,HB8095.


Article 3: (Request 3)

喂!?亞勞生你冇眼花嗎?定係你朋友眼花/未0訓醒?





今日我最少見到架DC19行27





請勿誤導!





B-2467上


Article 3: (Request 4)

嘩 ! 唔係0卦 ??


今朝早小弟0係北角碼頭見


到 '' 三部空調DC '' 行R.27咋喎 .





By LA11 Shing (^_^) (^_^)


Article 4:

My unspoken sayings


Citybus 10 (eg_slk@stu.ust.hk) from ustsu18-nc2.ust.hk at Sun Oct 25 05:33, 1998 said:


The fare system of KMB is very unreasonable. This can be seen from the high fares of AC routes, hoilday routes & sectional fare of long distance routes.





So I wanted to give out a saying about fare system of KMB in the phone-in TV programme of ATV on Thursday, but I couldn't say as the lines were too busy. These are my sayings:





I hope I can give out my sayings on fare systems of the bus companies in the TV programme in the future.





Citybus 10


Article 4: (Request 1)

你成日話九巴收費貴, 請問九巴路線收費係九巴自己釐定抑或政府釐定o既呢?





城巴 347 中環去香港仔收 $6, 我坐 $7 都係收 $5.30, 咁又點算好呢?





---


本月金句:「巴士狂熱」提防假冒


Article 5:

架681 + 一求


前中巴8號線總站太守VA51 (parnell@cyberec.com) from ppp2-152.ibuffet.com at Sun Oct 25 03:07, 1998 said:


前日搭城記77號,係681,架車上層車頭......有個大窿!落雨果陣咪會......





兩求 :


1)巴士展果陣我要first test.可否各位在此貼多D展覽相或者sent俾


我一看呀~~~~(唔會做hp的內容的!)





2)我想問下各位當中有無人對中國文學呢科野係好了得架?想慍人幫


呀~~~你都知啦板主,我今年會考啦.連'李白'係唐定宋人都唔知.就此


順便通融下啦.(e-mail to me please!)


Article 5: (Request 1)

大家咁話,我都無得去睇,因為比老細捉住左,無法閃身*_*!!!


希望板友多登靚相同sendEmail比我啦,


Thank,Thank,Thank..........you!!!





日日做到無停手0既


香港仔上


Article 6:

Re: 有冇巴士展o既相睇呀?


T.P.T. (dckk@netteens.net) from hkpu15.polyu.edu.hk at Sun Oct 25 13:40, 1998 said:


> Joseph (ksliu6@ie.cuhk.edu.hk) said:


> 小弟因為冇時間去到睇巴士展, 但係又好想好想好想睇下巴士展


> 有乜睇, 所以如果邊位網友有影到相, 可否 post 個網址出黎,


> 比我地一 D 冇去到巴士展o既人可以開下眼界呢? 謝謝!





香港巴士總站 -- UITP 1998


昔日中巴





.....


T.P.T.


Article 7:

Re: 我對板主取消字軌掛牌表的看法


Jacky,S3M80 (jackyyng@hkschool.net) from aquila.hkschool.net at Sat Oct 24 22:15, 1998 said:


> Pirro Cheung (y931204@netvigator.com) said:


> 我開這thread不是想引起罵戰,而旨在表達我對板主取消字軌掛牌表


> 的看法,如引起罵戰,本人立即離開HKBDB!


我支持你!


>


> 我當初知道板主設立字軌掛牌表,是希望各板友能知道各路線派車資


> 料,令各板友在需要捕車,影車,牛河時得到有用的資料,我知道大


> 部份板友都好盡責,但有一些板友不負任的只在霸線,好像我當初想


> 投A41,但被某板友霸線(A??a)一部車都冇入,結果要板主解決,(我


> 為此事向板主及板友講聲Sorry),在此事之後,我很用心去做好47X,


> 49P,49X,86K,299,A41,E42,N170等線,我也沒覺得字軌掛牌表是我在


> HKBDB權力象徵!


係!有板友霸線又唔放,對於你的E-mail懶得理,呢個就係字軌表的


長遠問題,亦係導致字軌表滅亡的原因.


>


> 我覺得字軌掛牌表是HKBDB的特色,試問在那個網頁可找到有字軌掛


> 牌表,而有時看文看得悶時,便到有字軌掛牌表看看,也是一種樂


> 趣。


所以我地咪想求板主保留囉!


>


> 而在我有時出街捕車之前,也會到有字軌掛牌表查看,使我知道各路


> 線派車資料,讓我捕車時也感到方便。


呢樣就係啦!


>


> 總括而言,字軌掛牌表對我們很有用處,但板主要取消字軌掛牌表也


> 感到婉惜,現在字軌掛牌表去向已決,但我希望字軌掛牌表有一日再


> 在HKBDB出現吧!!


我諗無可能lu~~~!


>


> Goodbye字軌掛牌表and Thank you


> (現在好想哭)


何止你,我都想.我接左手二十日咋!咁就冇左!


>


> 永遠係路線47X,49P,49X,86K,299,A41,E42,N170負責人


> Pirro Cheung


> AV134---GX7696


> 574---HD9422


> 510---GW1534


永遠係31M字軌表負責人,係32的忠實fans的


Jacky,S3M80


Article 8:

港島5B同8號


casio (wailim@ctimail.com) from hhtun019084.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 14:34, 1998 said:


93年未有城記之前, 港島8號行12架DS+6架DM, 當時係中記最高載客量市區線, 繁忙同非繁忙時間都咁多人. 之後開始換大車, 加冷氣, 80號cut左3架去8號變6分鐘一班.





城記接左做5B, 愈做愈旺, 怡家5分鐘班12米繁忙同非繁忙時間都成日爆棚, 假期'話'4分鐘班, 出西環去到西營盤有時都要飛站, 利害.





你地估下怡家5B定8號係港島最高載客量市區線? 我估5B.


Article 9:

問Trident模型


Panda LM8 (chan2468@netvigator.com) from yckam017033.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 14:33, 1998 said:


請問ATR1,1001,2200的模型會否再出?





Thanks


又大一歲的Panda LM8


Article 10:

問題:丹拿珍寶設計上有什麼好/壞地方?


青年人 (joelam55@chevalier.net) from mxp5-81.chevalier.net at Sun Oct 25 14:13, 1998 said:


丹拿珍寶設計上有什麼好/壞地方?





Thank you





青年人


Article 11:

Re: [格價] - 首都城巴 #331 模型


lazyman (leolee80@netvigator.com) from imsp038.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 17:27, 1998 said:


> eriC (dart@netvigator.com) said:


> 此模型已於昨天(24/10)推出, 想問問各店價格


>


>


> 巴士細界 ---- $288


>


> wanchi hung hing ------$288


> monk kok hung fat ------$288,too


>


>


> 歡迎板友們提供資料


>


>


> eriC


Article 12:

8P一問


NWFB 1032 (ccheung8@asiaonline.net) from hhtck011062.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 13:54, 1998 said:


小弟覺得8P轉全日,再不應有'P'字!


如轉no., 應轉乜好呢? (小弟「認為」8A 好!)


覺得'P'線行全日好怪的1032


Article 12: (Request 1)

> 小弟覺得8P轉全日,再不應有'P'字!


yes. i agree with you.


but KMB's 276P also runs full-day.


> (小弟「認為」8A 好!)


i think 708 is better.


Article 13:

[廣告]'藍田資訊站'加7張大相


GB2444,FX8032 (jackie01@hknet.com) from hhtam003242.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 18:58, 1998 said:


'藍田資訊站'o既'我的巴士相簿'加了7張大相,包括珍貴o既'坡柴'引擎大特寫,


AV1行300號,同埋金躉,白躉裝崁相.





另外,由於有板友話我o的相太大張同埋個底太花,所以今次順便改埋個底,


同埋重新set過o的相o既Size(800x600),可以做Wallpaper. :~)





由今朝11點幾On-line到而家o既'藍田資訊站'站長Tony(GB2444,FX8032)


Article 14:

32B新字軌車~~BL24


Jacky,S3M80 (jackyyng@hkschool.net) from aquila.hkschool.net at Sun Oct 25 18:49, 1998 said:


近日CJ6726唔見左,換來架BL24.咁唔知BL24會否成為本線的


新字軌車呢?


順道一問:BL24的來源.


Jacky,S3M80


(BT32)BDB


Article 15:

《致板主》 這個網頁真太慢


Gakei! (gakei@netvigator.com) from hkpu15.polyu.edu.hk at Sun Oct 25 18:39, 1998 said:


呢一兩日 HKBDB 成日 DOWN 機, 就算冇 DOWN 的時候都極之慢,


是否板主又在執行一些拖慢本板運作速度的程式? 如果是的話, 我個人意


見是當板主執行那些程式時, 索性公佈停板好過開板, 因為停了板我可以


索性不來, 但個板又用得, 但又十分慢的話, 會浪費很多時間, 而且也增


加了板友一文多貼的可能性.





--


車匙!


Article 16:

北角英皇道改革


NWFB 1032 (ccheung8@asiaonline.net) from hhtck022107.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 18:28, 1998 said:


Yesterday 東區星報話,英皇道會進行一連串改革,


有:


1/ 英皇道華豐出面之雙白線取消,供巴士爬頭. (done.)


2/ 麗大道(電廠街與英皇道交界之巴士站)將搬前 (未做)


3/ 往北碼之巴士線將改行北角道->渣華道出北碼 (末做)


問2,3點何時(會否)實行?


Article 17:

Re: 點解D文唔見哂?


Jacky,S3M80 (jackyyng@hkschool.net) from aquila.hkschool.net at Sun Oct 25 18:30, 1998 said:


> Raymond (id00639@netvigator.com) said:


> 點解D文唔見哂?





好正常.


正話又爆server(我估),開唔到添啦.


Jacky,S3M80


Article 18:

避震


KEN (me_ktk@stu.ust.hk) from 206.161.49.197 at Sun Oct 25 18:16, 1998 said:


請問MB用什麼避震?


Article 20:

九巴果部資訊科技雙層巴士一問


DE8779 (matt4127@netteens.net) from 202.77.28.111 at Sun Oct 25 13:37, 1998 said:


今日睇方向報講果部''如題''巴士,話由一部九巴改裝而成,果部車係咪由


3N改裝而成?定係大陸運來的國產貨?











DE8779


Article 21:

Re: 寶出現 8 號, 代表新巴服務大倒退?


Gakei! (gakei@netvigator.com) from hkpu15.polyu.edu.hk at Sun Oct 25 18:29, 1998 said:


> Raymond (id00639@netvigator.com) said:


> 今日在柴灣道竟然見到LFXX行8號,今時今日仲用寶行8號,唉-_-,


> 新巴服務大倒退





只是八號服務倒退吧. 我看不能單憑一條線的服務就推論一間巴士公司的服務質素,


因為一條線少了新車, 即是意味另一條線多了新車.





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車匙!


Article 22:

278P全日行走


DL (ss78k@netteens.net) from imsp013.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 07:20, 1998 said:


剛才我睇619 Bus Pages,話278P轉全日。


究竟幾時開始呢?詳細資料有未?





DL


Article 23:

My Detailed Record of UITP Expo Visit


Citybus 10 (eg_slk@stu.ust.hk) from ustsu18-nc2.ust.hk at Sun Oct 25 05:32, 1998 said:


23rd October 1998, is an important day for me, because I visited the 1st UITP City Transport Exhibition in the Convention Centre New Wing on that day. It was the first time for me to go to the Convention Centre New Wing & to see so many urban transport conpanies showing their new products.





The exhibition occupied only about 20% of all exhibition place of the New Wing, but it is more than 10,000 sq. metre & there were more than 20 companies participating the expo, including 5 bus manufacturers, 3 train makers, and various equipment companies. The 2 railway companies of HK, MTRC & KCRC, also placed their booth to advertise their new plans.





There was a rumour saying that people wearing casually with T-shirt & jeans and people below age of 18 were not allowed to go to the exhibition, but fortunately, this is NOT the fact. All people were welcomed to go to the expo, so I could see some parents carrying their children to the expo. Even tourists from China also visited the expo, so the introduction video of the expo handling organization & KCRC featured Mandarin speech.





I visited the Dennis Bus section immediately after receiving a visitor badge & entering into the venue. The area featured a Dennis Dart of NWFB having round shape seats (2047), a Citybus Dennis Dart 10.6m (2700) with Duple Metsec body having seats same as Alexander bodied airport coach (with footrests) & luggage spaces with no doors, and a KMB Dennis Trident. It was the first time for me to take these buses & it is quite unlikely for me to take these buses again. A magazine was available to get know about the latest motion of Dennis Bus.





Scania Buses, was the second company I visited. It featured a single decker bus in Singapore, having a ticket seller and capacity of 90, and a double decker coach. The coach used seats simliar to those used in Cityflyer but were fitted with radio under each seat, so people can listen to the news/music during the cross border trips. It is also the first bus in HK having fully transparent roof. It was the first time for me to get into an European double decker coach.





Then I visited various equpiment manufacturers, including a compnay that makes luggage racks for Citybus, a handrail maker, a bus seat company and a manufacturer for fare collection facilities in buses.





It's the time for seeing buses again. After visiting all railway comapnies, I went to Neoplan Bus Company (Germany). 2 double decker buses, one 15m Megashuttle with 2 stairs & capacity of 170, and a Centroliner 12m bought by KMB were displayed. But it is a shame for KMB not to specify continous lighting & adjustable AC vents in its Centroliner, that are musts for today buses. 2 seats is found over the front right wheel, but legroom is very limited.





Then I rushed into a Citybus MAN 12m double decker (2500) once I reached the MAN display area as I never took it before, even when it was running on 5B between January & March 1998. The bus has high floor between the 2nd axle & the end, so seats facing front can be placed over there, rather than seats over wheels. Unfortuantely its engine was not shown & no MAN short single decker running on MTR Airport Express feeder service could be seen.





And finally I visited the most sophiscated booth of the expo - Volvo Bus. To promote its low pollution natural gas powered bus, Volvo made 4 water filled tubes with balls inside to demonstrate the amount of pollutants generated by 4 types of engines: Euro 1, Euro 2, Euro 2 with catalytic converter, and natural gas. The white balls represents nitrogen oxides, yellow is carbon monoxide, orange is hydrocarbons.





Volvo also prepared its lond distance coach - B7R. It has closed handcarry luggage compartments, and I got the Volvo bus catalogs from it. These catalogs give me detailed information of all Volvo City Buses, and more importantly, the pros & cons of using natural gas or ethanol as fuel over diesel, which is very useful for my English Academic Paper on the possibility of using alternate energy sources rather than petrol.





The star of the expo - Volvo Super Olympian 3-axle low floor bus chassis, was also there. It has most of the design same as current Olympian, except it is fitted with Volvo D10A-285 engine rather than 245bhp ones, and has radiator on the right side below the staircase. The space usage of the bus is much worse than I expected, as its front wheel design does not allow seats to be placed over it, even independent suspension are used to reduce space used. Many large oil/air tanks are placed under staircase, thus reducing amount of space available. More disappointing is that it has 3rd axle as driving axle because of transverse engine, thus increasing its steering radius & makes it unsuitable for curvy roads. Even so, the chassis is suitable for HK because its floor, especially that since the 2nd axis, is low, thus allowing low bodies to be installed.





The UITP Exhibition gave me a lot of best buses to see & investigate, a lot of technical forms & catalogs for me to read, a first understanding of new buses, the first chance for getting into MAN doubledecker, and more importantly, provided me the best material for my Academic Paper.





Citybus 10


Article 23: (Request 1)

> But it is a shame for KMB not to specify continous lighting





唔該你睇清楚至講你的偉論, Centroliner 是採用橫放的光管放在通道天花上,


即係好似地鐵咁樣, 光得黎之餘又唔會好似城巴新十一米豪o個款無間斷光管咁


響正座位頭頂瞪住你.





無間斷光管唔係話什麼今日巴士的標準, 要令車廂夠光之餘又光得自然才是目標.





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車匙!





> 23rd October 1998, is an important day for me, because I visited the 1st UITP City Transport Exhibition in the Convention Centre New Wing on that day.





好彩你在會場上冇同我地講你係板友Citybus 10,唔係..








> There was a rumour saying that people wearing casually with T-shirt & jeans and people below age of 18 were not allowed to go to the exhibition, but fortunately, this is NOT the fact. All people were welcomed to go to the expo, so I could see some parents carrying their children to the expo. Even tourists from China also visited the expo, so the introduction video of the expo handling organization & KCRC featured Mandarin speech.





朋友,請你看清楚我講是勸告,不是一定!


仲有,這國際性場合唔該著好點,否則影衰了巴士迷


形象,唉,請你想想一些問題才貼文,如果你穿牛仔褲,


是不是對這展覽不敬呢?


加上這展覽不是遊樂場,小朋友是不宜出現的.


這裏是香港,唔通用法文,德文演講?





> It's the time for seeing buses again. After visiting all railway comapnies, I went to Neoplan Bus Company (Germany). 2 double decker buses, one 15m Megashuttle with 2 stairs & capacity of 170, and a Centroliner 12m bought by KMB were displayed. But it is a shame for KMB not to specify continous lighting & adjustable AC vents in its Centroliner, that are musts for today buses. 2 seats is found over the front right wheel, but legroom is very limited.





真好笑,你要記得這是全部德國貨,連車身都係,一定要用


回原廠配件.











本日一句'我們要幫一名城巴痴悲哀.'


Article 24:

Where is 2500?


100/911R/M1 Wong (wongjsy@sfsu.edu) from hhttnt06243.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 02:20, 1998 said:


After the UITP exhibition and being repainted into standard corporate livery, where is 2500 now?





If it's still on 8X, can anyone please provide me the departure inforamtion at Siu Sai Wan and Admiralty?





If it's not on 8X, which route is it serving now?





Thankx for your information.





Sincerely,





100/911R/M1 Wong


Article 25:

What if....


100/911R/M1 Wong (wongjsy@sfsu.edu) from hhttnt06243.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 01:56, 1998 said:


The other day I was looking at some old bus photos, I saw some CMB DA's with 'Air-conditioned' livery, the 'coach' version which was similar to its Metrobus Coach.





Then I had a thought, what if CMB installed those 2+2 coach high back seats with headrests on those DA's, instead of those sloppy ones? CMB would be the first franchise bus operator to offer 2+2 seats A/C double-decker bus service lor!


(I don't think G544 and N364 were good enough to provide 'constant' A/C service)





Also, CMB's public image would improve as passengers would no longer perceive those DA's being 'converted from hotdogs' too!





100/911R/M1 Wong


Article 26:

《網頁廣告》 九巴丹拿 A 及城巴 2500


Gakei! (gakei@netvigator.com) from hkpu15.polyu.edu.hk at Sun Oct 25 19:12, 1998 said:


香港巴士展覽中心加入《丹拿 A 巴士》分頁,內有


4961, 4212 和 4964 照片, 歡迎參觀.





另《每週大相》本週為翻油後的城巴 2500 於會展


UITP 展出的照片.





而由於 HKiD 網頁於九八年十一月一日停止服務, 香港


巴士展覽中心位於 HKiD 網址的網頁將全部遷往 SimpleNet.


我會於該日前盡量完成網頁搬遷工作, 如於該日後仍有連


往 HKiD 的連線, 請把網址中 《www.hkid.com/people/gakei》 的


部分改為 《gakei.simplenet.com》. 不便之處, 敬請原諒.





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車匙!


Article 27:

大 相 廣 告 ● Scania K124 Coach


Hanvas 漢 華 (hanvas@netvigator.com) from hhtam035148.netvigator.com at Sun Oct 25 00:49, 1998 said:


《 香 港 汽 車 網 絡 快 線 》 既 《 每 週 大 相 》 更 新 ,


今 次 大 相 為 會 展 外 的 Scania K124 Coach .


由 於 今 次 嚮 朋 友 度 整 , 所 以 冇 壓 縮 過 ,


相 片 Size 會 較 大 , (409K) , 故 請 耐 心 等 候 ,


因 為 張 相 好 正 , 適 合 大 家 用 黎 做 Wall-paper.


歡 迎 參 觀


http://www.HKiD.com/people/hanvas/index.html





其 他 會 展 展 覽 相 片 可 望 於 下 週 整 好 個 【 新 力 芒 】 後 上 載


上 網 .





還 寄 居 於 他 人 電 腦 之 下 的 ......


Hanvas 漢 華


Article 28:

[WA]PATH Transit Strike Off


Dennis Law (ctb2500@upnaway.com) from human4.upnaway.com.au at Sat Oct 24 23:08, 1998 said:


The following article is extracted from the Sunday Times published on 25.10.98:





Bus Strike Off





PATH Transit bus drivers have called off tomorrow's planned stopwork meeting.





Bus services in Perth's north-eastern suburbs were threatened with disruption by the one-hour meeting to have been held at noon tomorrow.





PATH managing director Alan Bray said drivers had agreed to call off industrial action and continue enterprise bargaining talks.


Article 29:

幾時先有金躉行屯門?


POnG (pongka@chevalier.net) from 202.77.3.240 at Sat Oct 24 23:03, 1998 said:


除了E33之外,屯門其他九巴線都好似沒有跡象會轉行金躉!


其實屯門有好多線都可以轉行金躉架,


例如60M,佢有易搭巴士,而現在D德仔大多數時間都只是做大冷馬後面隻'德仔',跟住一齊出.


如果有金躉,這就可以一方面做易搭巴士,另一方面可以做番隻大冷馬,一舉兩得.


其餘可以轉金躉提意:60X,59M


Article 30:

愉景新城巴士線改道


Eric Boutros (ericnet@hkstar.com) from 202.82.63.72 at Sat Oct 24 22:54, 1998 said:


由十月廿六日起, 龍運 A31, E31, N31 及九巴 243M, 243P, 42M


往愉景新城方向, 在駛至青山公路後, 改為右轉西樓角路, 左轉美


環街返回總站.





(已有通告貼出)





祝賀 Emil Lahoud 當選黎巴嫩總統的


Eric Boutros


Article 31:

賽'馬'直擊


NWFB 1002 (w3d080r@school.net.hk) from blue.alumni.cuhk.edu.hk at Sat Oct 24 22:40, 1998 said:


歡迎來到賽'馬'直擊,今日將會有十匹'馬'


大戰東廊,我們現在來看看有咩'馬'出賽先:


1號的有新究的'寶寶',快就夠快,不過年齡


稍高.


2號的都係新究的'亞記雞',慢就慢些,但係


後勁好好,被視為'大熱門'.


3號的都係新究的'猜躉',力就夠大,不過到


了轉彎時就反應稍慢.


4號就係城究的'統治者',轉彎反應慢,而且


馬力唔夠,被視為'大泠門'.


5號都係城究的'急凍豪',轉彎反應就夠好,


但係後勁就欠佳,都係'冷馬'一隻.


6號就係新究的'銀豪',速度快,而且年青,


不妨一試.


7號就係城究的'烏蠅',力就好大,不過轉彎


反應慢,而且無咩後勁,成日跑跑下就跪低,


又係'冷馬'一隻.


8號就係城究的'寒帶蘭花',力又唔大,而且


體弱多病,輸多贏少.


9號就係新究的''熱帶蘭花',力就好大,轉彎


敏捷,又係熱門'馬'.


10號就係新究的'沙仔',力就唔係好大,不過


直路都唔錯,不妨一試.


佢地而家一齊賽晒成條東廊,你話邊隻會跑出


呢?


K.Y.Chung捉馬貼士:


熱帶蘭花


Article 32:

【無人會睇的廣告】路線總站一個


三叉戟‧ATR1 (trident@powernethk.com) from 205.252.137.168 at Sat Oct 24 22:50, 1998 said:


西隧快線968總站已開張了,歡迎參觀!


(我對睇此廣告的版友說聲多謝!)





三叉戟‧ATR1


ATR1~~~HJ2127


S3N121~~~DP5782


Article 33:

(廣告) 又多一個字軌/掛牌討論區


Jacky,S3M80 (jackyyng@hkschool.net) from aquila.hkschool.net at Sat Oct 24 22:19, 1998 said:


就係:(32巴士總站)巴士派車討論區


請多多指教.


對於字軌表要say goodbye感到可惜同無奈的


Jacky,S3M80